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Showing posts with label family research. Show all posts
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Wednesday, August 13, 2025

News

 I think I'll occasionally use this News feature to make diary-like posts on what I'm working on.  This will be the first of this type of post.  So:

This morning, I posted a couple of photos to Dead Fred.  If you're not familiar with this site, it's a lot of fun browsing through the name index to see if there are any photos of people you know.  I added an unknown photo that I particular like and one of a couple I'm very familiar with.

This morning, I also looked through family tree @ Ancestry to see if anyone has posted photos related to Henry Flower, my great great grandfather and his immediate family:

Henry Flower, 1842-1923

married to

Martha Hayden, 1857-1919

children:

Nellie Flowers, 1874-1951, married to Albert Sager, 1873-?.

Mary Flower, 1876-?, married ?

Fanny May Flowers, 1881-1900, married George Odell, 1879-1918.

I found one obit for Henry Flower that I hadn't seen before.  

I left several messages for family tree owners to let them know about the Flower/Flowers One Name Study and the blog.  

The day before, I emailed the Town Clerk of Rockland, Sullivan County, NY, to let her know about the One Place Study of Rockland and the blog and to ask that she spread it around.  You can only ask.

Les Wormuth and I are planning a trek into Montgomery County to do some research at a couple of collections.  The "other" Wormuth family was there.  Our Peter may have been born there.  We'll see what we can find.  I have a lot of prep work to do before we go up there; it's quite a drive for me.

That's it for now.  Does anybody read this?  Please leave a comment.  Thank you.





Tuesday, January 7, 2025

My Family History Research Resolutions for 2025

 1. There are quite a brick walls in my family tree; people where I’m stuck and can’t find much information and can’t get back to the previous generation.  I certainly can’t get past all of them but there are a few that have blocked me for a long time.  I will be working on those this year:

Harriet Barecolt Wormuth; Eleanor Debeck Wormuth; Joseph Odell; Ezra Oliver; and Catherine M. Odell.

2. WikiTree has standards.  When you create a profile there, the web site lets you know if you’ve made a mistake.  It also creates a list of “suggestions” that let you know that something in a profile is not quite up to standards.  These can be as simple as mis-formatting something to something serious, like entering a “unique” name, meaning that name is nowhere else in the database, like Barecolt.  The suggestions can sit there, you can try to fix them or someone else might fix one.  Once you’ve made a correction, you indicate that and it’s reviewed and either disappears, is altered, or remains until it’s fixed.  I will be working on as suggestions regularly this year.

3. That brings me to workload.  Family history is work and I had planned for it to be that before I retired.  It hasn’t quite worked out that way but, this year, I will create a schedule for regular research activities so I can get a little done on most of my projects throughout the year.

4. The schedule:  

I have a lot of family photos, they’re mostly all over the place.  I need to scan and organize them I will try to scan at least 5 photos a day.

Review all of my WikiTree profiles to be sure that I have at least birth, marriage and death information; parents; and children; and that my profiles each conform to a style that I have developed.

Further define my research schedule with daily, weekly and monthly tasks.

That’s it.  It’s a lot but it’s mostly trying to be organized and routine so things get done and I know what’s been done and what still has to be done.

Wish me luck.

                                         



Sunday, November 17, 2024

Long time -- But I'm not finished


I can't believe it's been so long since I wrote a post to this blog.

But I've been busy; getting poked and prodded, examined, x-rayed, biopsied, cut and irradiated.  The worst is over; I'm in remission and feel fine.  The second round of treatment begins shortly for a prolonged period to try to prevent the cancer from returning.

I'll see.



I've been working on the family histories, on and off, the whole time.  Now I'm trying to get my focus back and put in a regular schedule with blogs as something interesting turns up.

There are several One-Name Studies going and a One-Place Study.

This is going to be a quick note just to let people know I'm still at it.  There are lots of branches on my tree and I'm related to all of them so they all get attention from time to time.  

Definitely visit my WikiTree tree where a lot of the activity takes place.

See the side menu for links.  Thanks for visiting; leave a comment.





Monday, June 15, 2020

New Rules

After long time and recent events, I am making new rules for my family history communications:

If you want family history information from me, you have to first give me some as a sign that you understand this rule of reciprocity.  Namely, you must provide me with a sketch of your family tree as it might connect us, as the outline below indicates:

Your name
Your father's or mother's name or both
Your paternal or maternal grandparent's name or names as they relate
Your maternal or paternal great grandparent's name or names as they relate

etc. as much as you can, simply, but, certainly, if you have it, include dates and places of births, marriages, deaths that will make it possible for me to understand how we might be related.

Then, make whatever request you have and be AS SPECIFIC as possible.

I have been researching ALL my family lines for over 40 years.  I have a database with over 3,500 names in it.  It's work I enjoy.  I am well aware that every person in my database is also related to many other people and all those people have AS MUCH RIGHT as I have to whatever information I have collected.

HOWEVER, so have I.  I have as much right to whatever information you have about my relatives and ancestors as you have.

I'm more than happy to share the information and even copies of photographs and documents (that I have paid for) with others who are also related.  HOWEVER, I can't tell you how many times I have supplied information to people, many not even related, and not got a single piece of information in return.

I can tell you that I'm more than tired of it.  It's just rude as well as being ABSOLUTELY selfish and thoughtless.

Just to go back a bit to the above parenthesis (that I have paid for)  Apparently, some people don't think about this information they think the "have a right to".  It's not all just sitting out there free for the taking.  I spend hours searching for information.  "Official" documents, cost money.  Just as an example, a birth, death or marriage document, in the state of New York, costs a suggested $22, for a simple search.  You can sometimes get a "genealogy" copy for less from some municipal clerks; it varies.  Yes, it's a ridiculous $ amount but it is what it is and I've already paid it so why should I GIVE you a free copy?  If you request a record search at a historical society, etc., you can expect to pay more because they have less resources and the search for the document is usually more challenging.  In any case, this apparent ignorance about the real costs of all this information, is, for me, now, just an excuse for absolute thoughtless selfishness.  Everything costs something.

I am not the only researcher who complains of this infantile, thoughtless behavior.  I belong to a number of online groups who share information online and this is a frequent complaint.  I, for one, will do what I can to stop being the pushover for this kind of selfishness.

IF YOU WANT SOMETHING FROM ME - GIVE ME SOMETHING FIRST.

I'm not unreasonable.  In fact, I've been more than generous with my time and resources in helping others in this area.  

NO MORE

My time is valuable and so is all the work I've done to collect all this information, organize it, house it, digitize it, etc.

I will also, from now on, charge for photos and copies of documents, just for the, obviously, ignored costs of photocopying, ink, paper, postage, etc., as well as, again, my valuable time.

So, I no longer care who you are, if you want something from me, in this area, be prepared to "pay" in advance with information or like material like photos, etc.

I know some people think they "have a right".  Really?!  Not with me, not anymore.

I apologize for the tone of this post but I'm tired of being taken advantage of and frustrated knowing that there is information out there about ancestors that I'm missing and I keep giving information to people and getting nothing back from many.

Reciprocity can never be 100% but giving something, before asking for something, demonstrates a recognizing that what you're asking for has value and that you are willing to SHARE, which is not a one directional action.

Those reading this who are already actually sharing information, photos, etc. with me can ignore this.  I do have relatives who regularly share photos, information, etc. with me and I very much appreciate that they do that.  So I will now recognize a few people who have done just that, many of them have passed:

Michele Natoli
Delilah Wormuth Babcock
Cora Seeley Vandermark
Georgiana Swartwout Bodiot
Ida Mattice O'Dell
Robert W. Blackman
Ellie Bowker
Sally Beams
Judie Darbee Vinciguerra Smith

There have been many others whose names I have undoubtedly forgotten, but these few I remember having given me a great deal in time, information and photographs.  And, I really, really appreciate it.

I hope there will be many future exchanges.










Sunday, November 9, 2014

Historic Note:


Hancock - "Settled before the American Revolution, the town was formed from Colchester in 1806. The East Branch of the Delaware River crosses the town and meets the West Branch in the Village of Hancock, which became a major lumbering and rafting center.  In the mid-19th century,  French Settlement was created by selling small lots of land to French and German settlers.  The Erie and Ontario and Western [O&W] Railroads aided the growth of the village, which was incorporated in 1888.  After Delaware Co's first wood acid factory was built at Kerryville in 1878, the wood chemical industry flourished, with more than 10 plants in the town.  This, along with tanneries and bluestone quarries, drove the economy in the late 1800s.  Railroad service declined in the 1950s and the reconstruction of Rte. 17 (I-86) as a four-lane highway in the 1960s reduced the tourist business.  In 2003, lumbering and quarrying supported the economy." -- Dorothy Kubik, in The Encyclopedia Of New York State , Syracuse University Press, 2005.



I thought some of you might enjoy this: 

In the box of stuff sent to me from Georgiana Swartwout was a little 2x3" sepia reproduction of Millet's Potato Planting with "Anna & George" written on the back; meaning Anna Wormuth and George Swartwout. 

I think it's cute. I don't know who wrote it but most likely Georgiana, their daughter. I found this sepia repro online: 




I remember Aunt Anna and, maybe, vaguely, George. Oddly, I don't remember Georgiana. I also remember George's brother, Guy, who used to arrange the baseball games at the reunions. I think I might have a photo of him in a baseball uniform. 

I remember one reunion (I think at Shinhopple) in particular when all the Wormuth women were together: Nancy, Anna, Maggie (Grandma)(our Wormuth branch); the others were probably there as well, it was a big one, over 100 people. Aunt Mary must have been there because I think that's the day that she was giving Grandma such a hard time at her house. 

The reunions were started by Elias and Phoebe and it was the Wormuth-Hulse reunion because those 2 sisters (Fannie and Phoebe Hulse) and those 2 brothers ([Thomas] James & Elias Wormuth) married each other but the other Wormuth brothers' families were always there as well. 

Aunt Anna and her daughter, Georgiana, were very beautiful.




Can you identify these two?



I thought this was 2 of my cousins but it's stamped "Nov. 1939" by the photo developer on the back and they aren't that much older than me and I'm told it's not them, in any case.  Please contact me, if you know them.



"Genealogy: Where you confuse the dead and irritate the living."  - no author given, from Family Tree Quotes



Friday, October 24, 2014

Research Tip:

It’s very important to look at each item of information thoroughly – at some point - and to:

  • decide how accurate the information is;
  • see if the information leads to additional sources;


When we find a bit of family information we’ve been looking for, we often take it at face value, don’t question it and accept it as it is.

We look for an ancestor that lived in a particular place in approximately a particular time.  We find a person, in that place, in that time with that name and almost always assume that we’ve found the person we’re looking for.  And, maybe we did -- and, maybe we didn't

But, after years of research, one finds that in any particular period of time, there are often many, many people with the same name, living near enough, and close enough in time, to possibly be the person we’re looking for.  It’s a mistake to accept one piece of information as valid and correct without looking at it more closely and without looking for corroborating documentation.

In addition, it’s a hard lesson to learn but many records, even original documents, have errors.  People can be forgetful; people can be careless. Just because it's an official document doesn't make it correct.

I’ve had a variety of disagreements with other researchers of my various families over particular bits of information but, most seriously, about the parentage of one particular individual or another.  If people are not careful about the information they accept as correct; if they share that erroneous information with others, soon the amount of misinformation has multiplied making it more and more difficult to find the correct data.

I hope the following analysis of the indicated record will show how I go about determining if the information in any particular record or document is valid and how it leads me to additional research:

Analysis of the Charles DOUGHERTY entry in Presidents, Soldiers, Statesmen Vol. II, Hardesty, Publishers, 1896.

A work in progress


“Son of the late Gilbert and Mary (GARRISON) DOUGHERTY, was born at Shandaken, Ulster Co., N.Y., Sept. 16, 1843, and was a farmer, residing at Ashland, Greene county, when he enlisted in Brooklyn, N.Y., Feb. 27, 1865, as a private in Co. I, 80th N.Y. Vol. Inf.  His enlistment was too late for him to see much active service, but after the close of the war, he was on provost guard duty at Suffolk, N.C., where he remained until near the time of his discharge, which was received at Hart’s Island, N.Y., Feb. 20, 1866.  Mr. DOUGHERTY married at Ashland, Sept. 17, 1863, Frances Victoria OLIVER, daughter of Ezra and Esther (CRANDALL) OLIVER, both deceased.  They have had seven children – Albert, William, Joseph J., Lewis, Josephine, Lizzie May and Harper R.  Mr. DOUGHERTY had five brothers in the service; Henry, William, James and John in Infantry Regts., and Romaine in the Cavalry.  Mrs. DOUGHERTY’s brother, Alanson OLIVER, died at Hart’s Island; her grandfather, Elnathan CRANDALL, was a Revolutionary soldier, and her uncle, William OLIVER, served in the Florida War.  Mr. DOUGHERTY’s grandfather, Garrison DOUIGHERTY, was also a Revolutionary soldier.  He is a pensioner and a member of Martin Hallett Post, 462, G.A.R., Dept. of New York.  His occupation is that of a farmer and his post office address is Hedgesville, Steuben co., N.Y.”
  •  “[Charles was born, son of Gilbert Dougherty and Mary Garrison,] Shandaken, Sept. 16, 1843.”

The 1850 US Census, Ulster Co., Shandaken: (Sept. 26th) indicates a slight error in the above record; calculating that Charles had been born 6 years before Sept. 26, 1850, he would have been born in 1844.  The date of the census, Sept. 26, was 10 days after the previous record’s proposed birthdate.  He would have been 5, on Sept. 16, 1850.  

            Gilbert, 46, farmer
            Mary, 46
            William, 23
            Henry, 21
            Sarah A., 19
            John, 17
            James, 15
            Elizabeth, 13
            Malissa, 11
            Romeyn, 8
            Charles, 6
            Mary, 3
            Sybil, 1

The following military record indicates the same birth year.
  •  “…residing at Ashland, Greene county, when he enlisted in Brooklyn, N.Y., Feb. 27, 1865, as a private in Co. I, 80th N.Y., Vol. Inf.”

Verified by (except residence is incorrect in above entry)
New York, Town Clerks' Registers of Men Who Served in the Civil War, ca 1861-1865, 39-40 as seen at Ancestry.com:  (this is a transcription)

Line 6

Dougherty, Charles Wesley
Residence:  Shandaken, Ulster Co.
Born Sept. 16, 1844, Shandaken, NY
Enlisted as Pvt, 13th Artillery, enlisted Feb. 1865, mustered in ? 1865, for 1 year in NYC. White, no relief granted, married.  Laborer, father:  Gilbert DOUGHERTY, mother Mary GARRISON, Transferred to Co. I, 20th NYSM Infantry.  Still in service at point of this entry.

Also, in this source and record are the registrations of Charles’ brothers:  Henry, James, John, William and (interestingly) Elbert Romayne; all of whom registered at different times.  This record doesn’t show the exact date of enlistment, nor the Co.  There is some discrepancy between the 2 records in terms of enlistment date, regiment and Co.  Comparing the letter of the company with other capital letters on the page, I did change my first impression from Co. J to Co. I, which brings me into agreement with the other record.  Again, comparing the # of the regiment to which he was transferred to other numbers on the page, I disagree with the other record that indicates it as 80th NY Vol. Infantry; none of the 8s on the page look similar and, while a bit too elaborate, it is a 2 and the regiment is the 20th.  In this record, the regiment is indicated as the 20th NYSM.  After much discussion online about the significance of the M and after visiting the regimental page of The New York State Military Museum, The agreement is that the M signifies Militia or Volunteer; therefore, in agreement with the other record.

Qualifying these investigations with the caveat that many documents contain one, if not multiple errors; it is therefore, important to find as many documents as possible to try to reach matching information which might be more trusted.
  • “His enlistment was too late for him to see much active service, but after the close of the war, he was on provost guard duty at Suffolk, N.C., where he remained until near the time of his discharge, which was received at Hart’s Island, N.Y., Feb. 20, 1866.”

I have no records, so far, to address Charles’ service as provost guard or his assignment to Suffolk, N.C.  I might find additional records, in the future, that verify this.  He was still in service at the date of the previous record so there is no discharge information in that record.
  • “Mr. DOUGHERTY married at Ashland, Sept. 17, 1863, Frances Victoria OLIVER, daughter of Ezra and Esther (CRANDALL) OLIVER, both deceased.”

The corroboration for the marriage date, so far, is from a family member and from apparent agreement in census records.  Family information and census records also seem to verify Frances OLIVERs parentage, although until receiving this record, we had no idea of Esther’s maiden name which has since been verified by several additional sources.
  •  “They (Charles and Frances) have had seven children – Albert, William, Joseph J., Lewis, Josephine, Lizzie May and Harper R.”

The children are verified by several census records with the addition of John and George.
  •  “Mr. DOUGHERTY had five brothers in the service; Henry, William, James and John in Infantry Regts., and Romaine in the Cavalry.”

This information is verified by similar records in the above source:  New York, Town Clerks' Registers of Men Who Served in the Civil War, ca 1861-1865, with one interesting addition, Romayne’s record indicates that his name was Elbert Romayne.
  •  “Mrs. DOUGHERTY’s (Frances Victoria OLIVER) brother, Alanson OLIVER, died at Hart’s Island; her grandfather, Elnathan CRANDALL, was a Revolutionary soldier, and her uncle, William OLIVER, served in the Florida War.”

There’s a great deal of data in this sentence:

The first error is Alanson OLIVER’s place of death.  Military records, in my possession, indicate that Alanson died, Feb. 1, 1865, St. John’s Hospital, Annapolis, MD.  He did serve in the military.

On receipt of the entry of Charles DOUGHERTY in Presidents, Soldiers, Statesmen, I began looking for Elnathan CRANDALL who, as Frances' grandfather, would have been her mother's brother.  Initially, I found nothing.  Then, I found several individuals with the same name.  The first Elnathan CRANDALL I encountered could not have been Frances OLIVER’s grandfather because he was born within a year or two of her mother and might have been a brother or cousin of her mother, Esther.  I have not yet identified the possible Elnathan, nor have I found an Elnathan CRANDALL in the Revolution.  More work is needed before accepting this piece of information, that he was Esther/Hester CRANDALL’s father.

On first reading and several subsequent readings of the entry, I assumed that William OLIVER was Frances OLIVER’s brother and clearly hadn’t read closely enough.  There are 4 William OLIVERs in the family tree, so far.  She didn’t have a brother named William.  The entry indicates he was her uncle.  For him to be her uncle, he had to have been her father’s brother.  Therefore, I have to assume that Ezra OLIVER, her father, had to have had a brother, William.  Since we don’t know Ezra OLIVER’s parentage, we also don’t know William’s.  However, If William served in the military, there may be a record which gives the names of his parents, and, therefore, Ezra’s.  This will extend the OLIVER family tree another generation and, perhaps, reveal more.  It may also be possible to find a William OLIVER living near Ezra OLIVER on one or more of the censuses; I haven’t checked yet.

It says William OLIVER served in the Florida War; there were several.  It will be necessary to figure out which one. 

I’m not currently interested in the rest of the entry since I’m related to Charles DOUGHERTY only through his marriage to Frances Victoria OLIVER.  Sometimes, it’s important and even necessary to research the families of in-laws in order to discover more about the target family.  I don’t expect that to be the case in this instance.