Who Knows This Cemetery

East of the East Branch westbound rest stop, driving east on NY 17.

I see this little cemetery every time I'm on my way home from visiting my father.

These are the google map coordinates.

https://www.google.com/maps/search/+mile+marker+295+hwy+17+East+Branch,+NY/@41.9969841,-75.1585406,117m/data=!3m1!1e3

The link doesn't seem to work so copy and paste those coordinates into google maps and it'll take you to the location, click on satellite, bottom left and you'll see this cemetery.

When you zoom out, you can see the RR tracks south of this and I can't see any road to this cemetery.

It's on the south side of NY 17 at mile marker 295.

Please let me know how to get to it. Thank you.

Horton Cemetery Cleanup

I said I would post pictures of what I did at the Horton Cemetery so here goes.  Let me know if this is confusing, it's a little confusing to me now, after the fact.

I visited the Horton Cemetery twice in the past few weeks, on the way home from visiting my father in the Oxford Veterans' Home.  I had thought there were relatives buried there and there are.

On the first visit, I walked the entire cemetery which was larger than I'd expected.  I found Aunt Dora Wormuth Emrich's grave (not sure that spelling is correct).  She was one of my grandmother's sisters.  I don't remember her but I'm pretty sure I met her when I was quite young and the reunions were still held at Shinhopple - with the 4 seater outhouse.

In view of my previous post about respect, I don't know who to ask permission for posting the following photos and names but, if anyone in the family wishes, I will remove both.

The first stone I found was a large Wormuth headstone, heavily shaded by a large, overgrown lilac bush.  The stone is also blackened with age and appears to be sandstone.

Then another large Wormuth headstone in front of which are flat stones for Clyde and Iona Wormuth who I am not familiar with but are in my database.  Clyde being the son of Henry Wormuth, a son of Joseph Wormuth.

I'm sorry, Blogger removed an easy way to organize these in a table so they line up nicely and I don't have the time to write the html to do that right now so the layout isn't what I would like.

As you can see this Wormuth stone is obscured by lichens, moss and blackening.  It's fairly typical of what happens over time.

This is my photo from this first visit, of Aunt Dora's stone.  I was in a hurry and didn't get the angle right so it's a little unclear.

Before that first visit, I had been reading about cemetery preservation and found an organization whose interest is just that.  They have a web site that gives advice and instructions and they even sell some of the cleansers they recommend.  These cleansers remove lichens, the blackening, but don't damage the stone.  They also recommend tools to use for various situations. They are one of a couple of new Links on my Links page.

https://cemeteryconservatorsunitedstandards.org/

Cemetery Conservators

So, on my second visit to the Horton Cemetery, I did a little work.  More needs to be done.  Here's the first Wormuth headstone with the lilac bush.

I was able to remove a lot of the blackening.  Because of the shading and my lousy phone camera, You can't see, very clearly, that there is a design above the name and on each side, but you can NOW see it in person.  Sandstone doesn't hold up well, over time.  It's porous and eventually washes away.  I believe the web site has solutions for that.

I did clean off Aunt Dora's headstone a little but it didn't need much, I just need to get the right angle for the carving to show more clearly.

The biggest improvement was to the other Wormuth stone but more work needs to be done.

Before

After

There's a lot of moss imbedded in the lettering.  I didn't have time or a toothbrush to get in there.  I think some kind of plastic (never metal), pointed implement would help.

The D/2 cleaner I used, and lots and lots of water, will prevent moss and lichens to grow for a while but the cleaning should be done from time to time.  You can find the cleansers on that web site.

Now to visit the Harvard Cemetery, the next visit.

New links on the Links page.

Respect

After some recent incidents, I have to write a little post about respect.

A lot of us are doing family history now.  A lot of us are posting family information online at various sites:  names, and dates and photos and documents and charts, etc.  Most of us do this without a lot of thought, without consulting with other family members.

We should stop doing this so casually.  We should think a little before doing this.

Years ago, I had a large family history site with all the above fully visible and available to anyone who passed by.  Then, someone close to one of my father's cousins contacted me and asked some questions about that part of the family and I shared information through emails.  Then, that person informed me that he had written and published something about his own family history and was working on something for his partner's family, my father's part of the family.

I had already been working well over a decade on the research, at the time, and did not intend to publish but I was irked that he thought I should supply him with family information that he might profit from.

Around the same time, I made contact with another individual, also from my father's side of the family and, almost immediately, found myself in conflict with him over the origins of the family.  I had little documentation about that and that was one of my goals in doing the research in the first place, to trace them back to their origins.  What he told me about the origins I could find no evidence of in what I had found and I told him that and asked what documentation he had found.  He was offended and the conflict began.  I'm sorry, I can't accept somebody's suppositions about family information, I need documentation.  So, we broke off communication, he was too offended.  The same happened with a 3rd cousin for the same reason, who had already published a book filled with spurious information in order to profit.

So, I took down my web site so the information was not so easily available.  I still share information, photos, etc. and I feel very strongly that I owe it to other family members to do so; it's not just my family.  But, I do it one on one, not open to the world.

More recently, data was posted online about members of a particular branch of the family by a family member who was unaware that that part of the family does not want their information online. The response I received when I so informed that individual was definitely disrespectful toward that part of the family who would take offense at their activities.  And yet, it's their prerogative that their family's information not be online and it's nobody else's business, nor is their opinion about that wish of any importance at all.  I was able, in this case, to edit the posted information, to erase all details, so family connections remain but who those family members are and their detailed information is hidden.  That's how genealogical software treats LIVING relatives in their various charts and reports.  It's about respecting privacy.

It is, I think, important to confine our posts and online disclosures to our own immediate branch of our families and not to forget that not everyone wants their family information online.

Just consider the implications of identity theft.

If you feel compelled to post related family branch's information, please ask that family first.

We are all unique individuals each with our own perceptions and ideas about what's good and what's not.  We all make mistakes.  So, it's reasonable to try to think before we act and react and to, at least, aim to be respectful of others and their wishes; those wishes being about the dissemination of information about other family members and their families.  Other wishes; that's another matter, not to be addressed here and now.

Sharing

Mattices

If you're a Mattice family member, click on the tab with that surname and you'll find a newly posted list of available photos I can send you.  I will be doing this with my other families as I put the lists together.  It's very time consuming.  I will revise the lists as I add newly digitized and organized photos.

In General

I feel very strongly about sharing family history and family photos.  These are not just my families; everyone in the family has a right to copies of these photos and information about the families. 

I appreciate it when family members share in return.  I find, over time, that I begin to notice who does not reciprocate and that I tend to not feel so generous toward those individuals.  I have had several unpleasant experiences with relatives of relatives who demand a great deal and give nothing in return or argue with me about information that I have when they have done little or no research whatsoever.  If you are a blood relative, I owe you the respect to share family information with you, otherwise, not so much.

Please note:  family information is almost always a work in progress.  I'm well aware that, unless I have several items of documentation, any information I have about ancestors, may be questionable.

FTDNA

FTDNA (FamilyTreeDNA) is the lab I used to test my and my father's DNA.  The last tests we had done allow me to identify others with common ancestors and FTDNA gives you an indication of how you might be related.

I took me quite a while to figure out a few things about their services, much more to learn.  So now, when I look at my and my father's Family Finder matches, I sort them in 2 different ways to get a glimpse of what's what.

I sort them by relationship which puts all the closest related at the top.

I can also sort them by date putting the most recent matches at the top.  That way I see all the matches I haven't looked at yet at the top.  I usually only look at my matches about once a month.

This morning. I sorted by date and paged back to the beginning of March to see what new matches there might be.  A lot.

I guess people have their DNA tested for different reasons.  I had a couple of different reasons for testing my father and myself.  One thing I hoped to find was living relatives who might know something about my families that I don't.  So far that hasn't really happened.  It's still fun to find cousins.

You can fill in a family tree there.  I have not been doing family trees online much anymore because it's caused problems in the past, mostly with the companies that provide these services.  They are profiting from all this information and not compensating any of us providing the data.  Not everyone at FTDNA puts a family tree there.  I have a brief one going back to my great grandparents, both sides.

The relationship indicator gives a range of possible relationship.  I mostly look for the 2nd to 4th cousin range.  I also look at 3rd to 5th cousin range for people who have a family tree posted and look at their trees to see if I see any common surnames.

This morning I sent 26 emails to various people with accounts at FTDNA, mostly those who are indicated as 2nd to 4th cousins but a few who are indicated as 3rd to 5th cousins.

Usually we can't find the connection, which seems odd at the 2nd to 4th cousin range but that's mostly what happens.  Remember this is DNA, blood relationship; we're related somehow.

It's still fun even when we can't find the connection.

Headstones and other memorials

Today I learned an important lesson about headstones that I want to pass on to everyone, with a couple of recommendations.

Years ago when both my parents were still alive, they bought a beautiful granite headstone, paid for their burial plot in my hometown cemetery and had it installed there. It has an unusual outer shape, an elaborate polished and carved scene of hills and a pair of deer, their names and birth and death dates. I'm not going to put the picture here because my father is still living and there's an error on the stone which is where the lesson comes in.

They were both living when they bought the stone and had it installed. Their names and probably their birth dates were on the stone when it was installed. When my mother died in 2001, her death date had to be added to the stone. I don't know how that's done; if the stone has to be picked up and taken back to the company who does the work - I assume. The error was that they put her death date under my father's name. I wasn't around at the time. I don't know if they put the date under both names or just my father's and had to put it, again, under my mother's name or if they put it under both names at the same time. In any case, my father is still alive and the death date under his name is, obviously, incorrect.

My father is currently in the hospital. He's "Ok" but he's 92 and in has an illness that will progressively get worse until he dies. Nobody can say how long that process will take so we have to be prepared. We all die; it's inevitable. It's prudent and intelligent to be practical and unsentimental about it, in advance.

So, how to fix the error. I've been told by the memorial company that the funeral home tells me they would contact to "complete" the date on the stone, that usually, in such cases, the error is filled in with epoxy and the new date cut over the error. Does that sound like it would work? It doesn't to me.

Quite frankly, at the time the error was made - it was made - it didn't magically happen, the business responsible should have swallowed the loss, ordered a completely new stone and done it correctly, right then. However, it's possible that wasn't a completely satisfactory option because the stone had been designed quite some time before my mother died and, perhaps, that style, design, etc. was no longer available. Also, it's possible that the company where the original stone was purchased was not the company adding the dates. Still, the company doing the dates, that made the error, should have accepted responsibility for making it right to the extent of replacing the stone - in my opinion.

That, clearly, didn't happen.

So, what to do. I don't want to accept the mess that will undoubtedly occur in trying to cover up the mistake and cut a new date over what's already there. It's set in stone; literally.

So here are suggestions for others that have been rushing around in my head after having a phone conversation with the memorial "craftsman" who is going to look at the stone and who would be called to "complete" the date:

- Whenever you might order a headstone, do it in advance of any need.

- Thank about and talk about what you want: shape, design, material, color, whatever you want "written" on the stone. It will be there for good.

- I suggest a surname stone, the largest stone, with the design and smaller, flat, stones or metal plates with names and dates.

- Be sure that the contract includes what occurs if errors are made, including forfeiture of payment, replacement of the stone.

Accuracy, like facts, is important

      

I've spent hours in the past few days, looking at online family trees, for several ancestors, that have so many errors and misdirections....  I can't tell you now annoying it is to waste so much time verifying that things are incorrect and trying to find the correct information. 

Here are a couple of hints that may make you better researchers (you can be sure I'm not the best but far from the worst.):

Take whatever information you have about an ancestor that you want to know more about and write it down.  If you have a family chart, write it down. 

Who - as complete a name, including initials, as you can find. Write down any spelling variations you have. Make a page for each individual.

What - what are you trying to find? Do you want to know where they were born, where their family was originally from? Try not to be distracted from your goal, it's easy to find yourself off on a tangent, chasing a related piece of information.  Don't go there.

When - write down dates, as precisely as you can. Birthdates, marriage dates, death dates, children's birthdays.

Where - write down places, birth places, wedding places, death places, burial places.

Check dates and places.  If you have a birth date and a marriage date but they are farther apart than 20 or 30 years, you may have an error somewhere.  Most people back in the 1800s and even now, get married in their mid-20s. There will be exceptions but this is still something you can rely on.  They also had children right away, usually.

DON'T JUMP TO CONCLUSIONS.

If you have an ancestor who was born in county X and died in county X is said by somebody else to have married and lived in county B, unless you can verify it's the same person, it's unlikely that it is.

You WILL find more than one person with the same exact name as your ancestor and often nearby where you ancestors lived:  Who would think that there'd be more than one Charles and Francis V. Dougherty in New York State, but there were and the couple who lived in Buffalo, were NOT my relatives and so many people with the same family line seem to think so.  For a while I had an ancestor who I thought must have been a bigamist because I saw him in 2 places with different wives but children with all the same names, until I sorted out that they were cousins one a year or 2 different in ages who, unhappily, named their kids almost exactly the same names.

A lot of children died. It's something you will find and have to accept.  People disappear from the family tree.

You will not find documents for each and every person but you should try to find documentation of births, marriages and deaths.  Getting a real copy of a certificate of any of them is getting more and more expensive; the last I ordered was $22.  I'm happy to share for the cost of a photocopy and postage - after all they're not only my ancestors and relatives.

You can expect errors on almost any record.  It's surprising at first and really unfortunate but all these records were created by people who, just like us, make mistakes.  Spelling is the biggest mistake but there are some real surprises.  I have a death certificate of a great grandmother, the information supplied by an adult son who lived with her past his 40th birthday, and my great grandfather's first name is incorrect on the death certificate, unless we don't know something my great uncle knew. I choose to ignore the mistake since I have other documentation of their marriage.

Slow down.  I have to tell myself this all the time.  And,

Think.  What's logical?  What seems to be the normal progression of a person's life in time and space and that's the direction you should look.

Write down the source of every bit of information you find.  Immediately.  I have to tell myself this even more often and I often fail to do it and I'm ALWAYS sorry later, if I don't.

DO NOT accept family information from relatives as facts; sometimes they are, sometimes they're not.  Information gets handed down, generation to generation, cousins to cousins, grandparents to grandchildren, and like the kids' game of telegraph (you know where someone whispers something in the ear of one kid who does to the same to the next kid on a line however many kids long and the last kid in the line says what he was told and it's almost always completely different from what was whispered to the first kid), the information gets distorted over time until it's as far from the facts as can be.  Usually family information is a good starting place but it's better if backed up with a family bible, or birth certificates, funeral cards, etc.

Most of your ancestors and relatives, particularly in the mid-1800s, stayed close to home and, when they relocated, they often did so with most of their family.  So, if you see someone with the same name over the border in another state, or 3 counties away, don't assume they are related until you have checked carefully, all the dates, names, etc.

Follow your ancestor from birth to death to get a clear picture of the flow of their life.  Say you have your great grandmother's birth date and her wedding date but not a clear place for either.  If you know her birth date and her maiden name, then you can find her on the next census after her birth.  If you don't know her maiden name, but you know her wedding date, you can find her on the next census, after her wedding, with her married name, or your great grandfather's name.

FamilySearch.org has most of the census records and many birth, death and marriage records - FREE.

I'm a paying member of Ancestry.com, so I don't know which of their records are free now.

Finally, please, Please, PLEASE, don't post your information online unless and until you have documentation of what you're sharing.  Or, at least, include notes indicating what is and isn't verified.

I now have a clue that an ancestor that everybody else has accepted as one of my 4th great grandfather's father, is somehow related but not related as everybody else thinks because the dates and places just don't match. I'm more than a little tired of wasting my time looking at bad information and arguing with people who either don't understand how important it is to get things straight or don't care - like somebody very well-known is about everything that comes out of his mouth.

And, yes, I make mistakes but I work on my family lines to try to be sure that I have documents verifying who is who and what is what. 

After all, you can believe that you're related to Warren Buffet and tell as many people as you want but I'd be careful if I were you about showing up for a reading of the will when the time comes, unless you have more than one document proving it.